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These are excerpts from Kersten commentary.

Katherine can be found here at the Star Tribune:
http://www.startribune.com/bios/10645201.html

Sunday, August 29, 2010

KK Takes on Negative Campaign Ads..At Least One Side

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/101681008.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ

"So Mark Dayton has called for an end to negative campaign ads. That's rich.

Dayton's pose as the White Knight of Minnesota Politics is the height of hypocrisy. While he claims the high road, his family is funding the Alliance for a Better Minnesota (ABM) below the radar screen. ABM is a sophisticated attack machine that's conducted a smear campaign against Dayton's Republican opponent, Tom Emmer.

ABM's dirty work has just begun. As of mid-July, the Dayton family had poured $851,000 into two front groups that funnel money to ABM, while Big Labor's hefty contributions to those groups brought the total to over $2 million.

If Dayton doesn't know about ABM's down-and-dirty modus operandi, he's the only Minnesota politician who's clueless on that score. ABM is a communications hub that exists to push out negative messages on behalf of DFL candidates like Dayton, so they can keep their hands clean.

ABM cut its teeth in 2006 and 2008 with blisteringly negative ads aimed at Tim Pawlenty and Norm Coleman. In crafting its battle plans, it had access to well-known national masters of negativity. That's because ABM is the Minnesota branch of ProgressNow, a national activist network with affiliates in 12 states.

ProgressNow is a vital component of a strategy hatched in Colorado in 2004 by a small group of ultrawealthy left-wing political activists. Their goal: to turn America's red states blue by creating a highly coordinated network of lavishly funded nonprofits to promote "progressive" candidates and issues.

ProgressNow's director is Bobby Clark (Howard Dean's online guru); MoveOn.org founder Wes Boyd was an early leader. The group's scorched-earth approach to politics is best summed up by an internal memo -- leaked in 2008 -- that called for defining a Republican candidate "foot on throat."

ProgressNow board member Ted Trimpa says "you have to create an environment of fear and respect" in dealing with opponents. "The only way ... is to get aggressive and go out and actually beat them up [politically]."

A new book, "The Blueprint: How the Democrats Won Colorado," tells the story of ProgressNow and the movement that gave rise to it. According to its authors -- Denver journalist Adam Schrager and former Colorado Republican legislator Rob Witwer -- ProgressNow CEO Michael Huttner and his group's affiliates "wake up in the morning with one question on their minds." In Huttner's words: "How do we get earned media to advance our agenda and to criticize our opponents?"

"We'll go after them [Republicans] very starkly and in a way that draws emotion," Huttner told Schrager. "It's too hard-hitting for some politicians to say these things, even if they really want someone else to say them."

The result? In Colorado, where ProgressNow is best-established, "the Democrats have outsourced the politics of personal destruction to a bunch of nonprofits," said Jon Caldara of the state's Independence Institute.

ProgressNow's fingerprints are all over ABM's anti-Emmer attack ads. FactCheck.org -- operated by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center -- labeled "false" ABM's claim that Emmer had voted against a bill to make "corporations and CEO's" pay higher taxes. The ad's claim that Emmer's vote "created" a huge state deficit is "pure nonsense," according to FactCheck.org.

Regarding ABM's "misleading" ad claiming that Emmer sponsored a bill to "reduce penalties for drunk drivers," FactCheck.org had this to say: The bill "actually sought to prevent suspected drunk drivers from losing their licenses and having their vehicles seized ... before they have been given a chance to defend themselves in court."

Thanks in part to Dayton family cash, ABM has blanketed the state with these distorted messages. As of Aug. 10, ABM's anti-Emmer TV ads had appeared 2,400 times, while the one positive pro-Emmer ad that ran had appeared a mere 330 times, according to the Campaign Media Analysis group.

ABM is also using Dayton family money to wage political guerrilla warfare. It has worked to keep the boycott against Target Corp. in the headlines, allegedly on grounds that Emmer -- like Barack Obama -- does not support gay marriage. ABM bought Facebook ads targeting 57,000 Target employees, and launched a poll of Target employees and Target Facebook "fans" to stir up animosity against the giant retailer. Its goal: to bully and intimidate corporations that donate to probusiness candidates.

In his call to end attack ads, Dayton lamented "the whole attack ad approach where you try to destroy someone personally to defeat them politically." "The antidote," he said, "is for voters to say, 'No.'" Even then, "you're not going to stop some people from operating out of the sewer."

You can say that again. But what if, as in Dayton's case, "some people" includes your own"

79 comments:

  1. I believe the biggest comment here is ..

    so?

    Both sides are playing the same game and it would sure be nice to see a comparison reflecting both sides.

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  2. Picture of Liberal Democrat Trust Fund Baby Mark Dayton (DFL) reviewing his economic policy in the morning:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gzuK9jsKG-g/StL9a5nED0I/AAAAAAAAILM/fK0_GJIaFMs/s400/headUpAss.jpg

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  3. So I saw Beck on Fox Sunday this morning and agreed with him on one thing ..

    both sides of the extreme are not going to fix this.

    On the other hand, something about him just doesn't seem right. It's that gut feeling thing that he's not what he's trying to present himself as ... a guy on the edge/waiting for the next shoe to drop kinda thing.

    Seeing such a huge crowd gathered to listen to a person like that is scary. Does this mean there's a large group of Americans in the same boat?

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  4. "It's that gut feeling thing that he's not what he's trying to present himself as ..."

    You mean like Obama?

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  5. "Seeing such a huge crowd gathered to listen to a person like that is scary. Does this mean there's a large group of Americans in the same boat?"

    More and more people are waking up and starting to realize that the democrat socialist party is destroying this country and they want to do something to save it. That's why Tea Parties, etc, are poping up everywhere.

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  6. "That's why Tea Parties, etc, are poping up everywhere."

    You really meant ..

    'That's why Tea parties, etc., are pooping out everywhere'

    just spreading even more shit out there.

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  7. 'That's why Tea parties, etc., are pooping out everywhere'

    Why are you anti-freedom Greg?

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  8. I can't wait to hear how I'm supposedly anti-freedom ...

    when you and your ideology do NOT allow people like EBF to be married.

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  9. "I can't wait to hear how I'm supposedly anti-freedom ..."

    You'd have to be anti-freedom to be against what the Tea Parties stand for.

    "when you and your ideology do NOT allow people like EBF to be married"

    Evil can marry any woman who will take him. He can't however marry his first cousin, sister, mother, dog, or the guy across the street. What's your point Liberal Greg?

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  10. "Evil can marry any woman who will take him. He can't however marry his first cousin, sister, mother, dog, or the guy across the street. What's your point Liberal Greg?"

    So your definition of freedom is EBF not being able to marry the person he loves ...

    I guess you want to redefine freedom D2.

    Now explain to me again how I'm anti-freedom because I don't subscribe to extremists like the tea party?

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  11. "when you and your ideology do NOT allow people like EBF to be married"

    Greg, your liberal idiology now controls the White House, House, AND Senate. If liberals wanted to pass Man on Man Marriage they certainly could, but they won't. Why is that Liberal Greg? Why aren't they even proposing anything?

    Don't go blaming Conservatives for something you liberals have the power to enact.

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  12. What I'm seeing very clearly is that the ideology D2 has embraced redefines freedom so it only applies to 'certain' people and encourages lying....

    wow.

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  13. "So your definition of freedom is EBF not being able to marry the person he loves ..."

    No it's not.

    Do we have the freedom to yell FIRE in a crowded theater? Sometimes we need rules to protect society.

    This homosexual says gay marriage would be bad for society and gives excellent examples of why.
    http://townhall.com/columnists/FrankTurek/2008/05/26/gay_marriage_even_liberals_know_its_bad

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  14. "Don't go blaming Conservatives for something you liberals have the power to enact."

    I'm blaming lying idiots like yourself for spreading misinformation to the masses.

    You've yet to define why you think I'm a liberal D2 ..

    most likely you just apply that label since you don't like it when I point out your lies and the lies of people like this:

    http://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/

    http://politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

    http://politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/

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  15. "Do we have the freedom to yell FIRE in a crowded theater? Sometimes we need rules to protect society."

    So EBF being married is a danger to society? Can you prove this? or are you just going to toss out opinion vs. fact .. ..

    again.

    Face it D2, you only want freedom for certain groups of people.

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  16. "You've yet to define why you think I'm a liberal D2 .."

    Mainly because you take the liberal side of virtually every issue.
    ************************

    Our Summer of Despair

    By Bradley Blakeman

    Although the White House has been touting its "summer of recovery," 2010 will actually be known as the "summer of despair."

    President Obama's serial vacationing and golfing while Rome is burning will come back to haunt him and fellow Democrats this November and beyond.

    His behavior shows a lack of compassion, understanding and leadership. His constant rhetoric that the economy is improving is nonsense. The people know better. It is not.

    This administration has ruled out of ideology instead of reality. They have manufactured a "crisis" on health care when we had an honest to goodness crisis on the economy that they have neglected and ignored.

    Americans are asking themselves, what good is affordable health care in 2014 when I do not have a job to pay for it in 2010?

    The president and his administration have been aloof to the economic problems of the everyday American. They have done what they have wanted to do instead of what the American people needed to be done. They passed 2,000 page bills that no could have possibly have read before voting on them. They have grown government and increased the national debt in record proportions and they made promises that have not been kept.

    Remember the stimulus bill? The president promised that if the 1,500 page, $787 billion bill was passed, our national unemployment rate would not exceed 8 percent and that millions of jobs would be created. We now know that by the president's own standard of success, that bill was a complete failure. Unemployment topped 10 percent after the bill was enacted and still hovers around 9.5 percent nationally. Billions of stimulus money remains unspent and Americans are asking themselves, where are the jobs?

    The numbers tell the tale. The U.S. Commerce Department is revising second quarter GDP figures from a 2.4% to 1.4% growth or lower. We now know that sales for existing single-family homes have dropped 27% to their lowest levels 11 years. Home foreclosures continue to mount at alarming rates as do personal and business bankruptcies and credit card defaults. Economists like Paul Krugman and Nouriel Roubini from NYU are admitting that the economy is not recovering and that there is a 40% chance America will experience a "double-dip recession."

    The Democrats are the party in power. They control it all -- the House, the Senate and the White House. It is their watch. It is their record. It is their fault.

    America don't despair, help is on the way. It's called the midterms. And it will be November before we know it.

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  17. "I'm blaming lying idiots like yourself for spreading misinformation to the masses."

    Thank you Greg. I didn't realize I had that much power. And here I thought it was the democrats fault that gay marriage hasn't happened while they have the power to make it a reality.

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  18. "Thank you Greg. I didn't realize I had that much power. "

    It's the lies you and those you admire D2 .. the lies.

    You've yet to define how I'm supposedly a liberal D2 .. you put up rhetoric, but no fact.

    On the other hand, you've admitted to being an extremist.

    Did you know it was extremists that attacked this nation on 911 D2?

    You're in the same camp D2.

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  19. "Did you know it was extremists that attacked this nation on 911 D2?"

    Yes, Muslims were able to pull it off because of our suicidal liberal immigration and other policies.

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  20. "Yes, Muslims were able to pull it off because of our suicidal liberal immigration and other policies. "

    No, it was AQ terrorist extremists D2.

    Just like yourself .. an extremist promoting misinformation and using religion to substantiate your lies.

    Why do you insist on lying to promote your ideology D2?

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  21. "No, it was AQ terrorist extremists D2."

    And Muslims across the globe celebrated, even some in the United States.

    Did you know that 1/3 of Muslims in France support homocide bombings Greg? In some Muslim countries it's exceeds 50%. Do you think Muslims here are immune from becoming radicalized like they have overseas?

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  22. I'm just waiting for all the proof of those statements D2 ..

    do you have proof?

    P.S. Emails don't count.

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  23. "do you have proof?"

    Some US Muslims Say Suicide Attacks OK:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P9KKMG0&show_article=1

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  24. From your article:

    "One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says."


    Seems the whole story is much different than what you're trying to pass on .. in other words, you're attempting to spread misinformation.

    And what about the 1/3 in France and 50% or more in some countries?

    Any proof D2?

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  25. "One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says."

    Greg, if only one in one hundred Muslims here support Islamic terror, that's far too many. Doesn't it scare the hell out of you that one in four young Muslims in America support it? With all the Muslims now in this country, do you know how many hundreds of thousands of potential Islamic terrorists that is?

    Nice liberal suicidal immigration policy we have!

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  26. In other words you have no proof ..

    you're lying .. again.

    Your entire ideology is built on lies.

    What a joke.

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  27. "In other words you have no proof .."

    "One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says."

    You used the same quote Greg! It's just that were led right to the part about most Muslim rejecting al-Qaida and totally ignored the statement that one in four young Muslims support homocide bombings! Pull your head out Man!

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  28. "...that one in four young Muslims support homocide bombings"

    you forgot to add ..

    under certain circumstances.

    Would you commit homicide under certain circumstances D2?

    And you never gave proof on the other crap either ..

    just more lies.

    Like I said, you're a joke.

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  29. "you forgot to add ..
    under certain circumstances."

    Oh I see. You are saying that Muslim homocide bombing is OK under certain circumstances. Well I think most civilized people would disagree with you Greg and don't think it's ever OK to kill innocent people in the name of Islam.

    "And you never gave proof on the other crap either .."

    It's in the same link. Try reading it sometime.

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  30. So I ask again ..

    Would you commit homicide under certain circumstances D2?


    And I repeat again, you're a liar and a joke D2.

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  31. "Would you commit homicide under certain circumstances D2?"

    I would kill someone if necessary if they were an imminent danger to my family, but that's not what Muslim homocide bombers do. They blow themselves up in an attempt to kill as many innocent women and children as possible to terrorize infidels.

    Why do you support Islamic terror liberal Greg? Now do you know why I call you a liberal?

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  32. "Why do you support Islamic terror liberal Greg?"

    I don't, and you realize that.

    The real question is why do you continue to promote hatred against an entire religion when the majority wants nothing to do with violence?

    See, this is why it's common knowledge that you and your ideology are nothing but fear mongering liars ...

    even to people with half a brain.

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  33. Greg,

    Instead of you being outraged that one in four young Muslims in America support Islamic terrorism, you try to be a good liberal multiculturalist by rationalizing and excusing their behavior.

    More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

    People should be outraged!

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  34. "Instead of you being outraged that one in four young Muslims in America support Islamic terrorism,"

    There's one lie.

    "you try to be a good liberal multiculturalist by rationalizing and excusing their behavior."

    There's another lie.

    "More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder."

    Another one, not to mention you'd also be suffering from a mental disorder since you too are an extremist.

    "People should be outraged! "

    They are .. especially about things like this ..

    http://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/

    http://politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

    http://politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/

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  35. "There's one lie."

    No it isn't. Just because you don't like facts doesn't make them untrue Greg.

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  36. On Beck's gig ..

    CBS News: Commissioned AirPhotosLive.com, which estimated the crowd at 87,000. With a 9,000-person margin of error, the real number could be anywhere between 78,000 and 96,000.

    NBC Nightly News: “Tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands.”

    ABC News: “More than 100,000 people.”

    National Parks Service: According to Chuck Todd, that organization’s estimate was 300,000 to 325,000.

    Fox News: Citing organizers, Beck’s own network estimated the crowd at “over 500,000.

    And now for the queen of pants on fire ..

    Michele Bachmann: “We're not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today—because we were witnesses.”


    Does the lying ever end with her?

    Read more: http://www.newser.com/story/99241/so-just-how-many-attended-becks-rally.html#ixzz0y5a4tDuL

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  37. I'm sure it looked like a million to her, big deal Greg. You act as if she went out and counted everyone, then lied about her count.

    At least she was more truthful than the State Run Liberal Obama Media.

    By the way Greg, you never replied about the democrat party not enacting gay marriage now that they have the power to do so. You liberals blame conservatives for everything!

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  38. Michele Bachmann gets an "A" on Truth Test:

    http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1720505.shtml?cat=1

    This news must be devestating to you Liberal Greg!

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  39. "Michele Bachmann gets an "A" on Truth Test"

    Yeah, Clark is definitely in the "tax and spend" camp, Michele is correct about that. This will be a great change for our country after years of Bush/Bachmann "borrow and spend", growing government and leaving the bill for my kids and grandkids. At least democrats make an attempt to pay as they go. Todays "conservative" is always angling for that free lunch.

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  40. Clark gets an "A" on truth test.

    http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1720691.shtml?cat=1

    Her opponent did also.

    But when you go to politifact.com, it seems Clark doesn't even show up and Bachmann rates all the way to pants on fire shown here:

    http://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/

    Michelle seems to have a problem being honest. She has yet to provide ANY kind of fiscal support to her district and spends most of her time out of state when not in DC. The majority of Minnesotan's see her as an embarrasment as shown in this poll which was conducted using the same polling source as Fox news:

    http://minnesotaindependent.com/55222/majority-of-minnesotans-embarrassed-by-bachmann

    For all of Bachmann's claims of socialism, it also appears she's not afraid to collect from social welfare ..

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1209/Antisocialist_Bachmann_got_250k_in_federal_farm_subsidies.html

    Based on factual and verifiable information, it's become clear that congressperson Bachmann is a hypocrite, a liar, and has done nothing for her constituents in the 6th district.

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  41. So I listened to Glenn Beck and looked at some of his gig from this past weekend. I kept getting reminded of something. This is purely my own opinion and gut feeling, but now I know ..

    Elmer Gantry.

    I think Beck is a scammer.

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  42. "At least democrats make an attempt to pay as they go."

    Monty, They may have passed a bill called "PAYGO." But the only attempts I see are end runs around it.

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  43. "Monty, They may have passed a bill called "PAYGO." But the only attempts I see are end runs around it. "

    I'm going to agree ..

    we're avoiding the inevitable. The 'plan' I agree with, but the route isn't cutting it.

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  44. "The majority of Minnesotan's see her as an embarrasment as shown in this poll"

    Greg, you seem to miss the big picture. I know you love to trash conservatives, especially females, but they are going to take back the House and possibly the Senate because people realize how liberal democrats/socialists have severely mishandled the economy and are making things worse.

    Don't you want our economy to improve? If so, why would you support Michele Bachmann's opponent who already admitted she would have voted for socialist ObamaCare against the will of the American people. Terrell Clark would be a rubber stamp for radical damaging Obamunism which needs to go.

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  45. "Greg, you seem to miss the big picture."

    No, the so-called 'big picture' is a scam conjured up by nutcase scammers like your heroine Michelle Bachmann/Bachturd and Glenn Beck/Gantry.

    Our economy will not improve if the ideology those people you worship get in control .. it will just turn into a different mess and most likely cause a greater demise to the middle class.

    I have shown you verifiable facts that the people you support are lying to you yet you continue to deny it ..

    you are living in the definition of insanity D2.

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  46. "you are living in the definition of insanity D2"

    Greg, the definition of insanity would be voting for an Obama supporter like Taxin' Tarryl after everything we've learned about Obama and his supporters like Clark (DFL).

    You are openly supporting a candidate who's leftist idiology will continually make things worse if we allow it. Fortunately the wise people of the 6th. district won't put up with her idiocy.

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  47. This is funny .. but it's not funny too.

    http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2010/09/deanna-coleman-sentencing-tomorrow.html

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  48. "but it's not funny too."

    Not funny, but not unusual.

    I've got 100,000 bloggers that he donated a bunch of cash, and bundled even more, for the favor.

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  49. Alot of this doesn't surprise me. It most likely isn't completely true, but my gut tells me it's pretty close to the the reality of her. I just wish most folks would see what her real obsessions are .. cuz it ain't them.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010

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  50. "I've got 100,000 bloggers that he donated a bunch of cash, and bundled even more, for the favor. "

    You mean ANYTHING can be bought?

    I sometimes fear our democracy is so seeded with money from greed and dreams of power it will implode ..

    I wish there was a way to stop all the lying so people could understand the true outcomes of the claims made by politicians and their media cohorts.

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  51. I think I like this one better ..

    http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=1815261&ybw=&units=Feet&currency=USD&access=Public&listing_id=983&url=

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  52. I went to the State Fair yesterday and the weather was perfect. Better than that, I saw only 3 people wearing Liberal Mark Dayton for Governor pins and only 2 idiots wearing Obama t-shirts, while I saw hundreds of people wearing Emmer and "Chamge? I'd like mine back" pins.

    This is very good news for Minnesota!

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  53. "I went to the State Fair yesterday and the weather was perfect. Better than that, I saw only 3 people wearing Liberal Mark Dayton for Governor pins and only 2 idiots wearing Obama t-shirts, while I saw hundreds of people wearing Emmer and "Chamge? I'd like mine back" pins."

    Sounds like you stayed in that Larry Craig restroom the whole time ..

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  54. "Sounds like you stayed in that Larry Craig restroom the whole time .."

    Did realize that existed. You must tell us why you're so familiar with it.

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  55. "Did realize that existed. "

    I'm sure you did ..

    "You must tell us why you're so familiar with it."

    I'm not ..

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  56. No really, where is this "Larry Craig Restroom" you keep bringing up?. Is it over by Keith Hakim Ellison's booth? Did you ever have R.T. "Santuary City Mayor" Rybak (DFL) next to your stall?

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  57. I'm sure you just followed Jim the election guy D2.

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  58. "I'm sure you just followed Jim the election guy D2"

    Jim the election guy. Good commercial, and it received an "A" for truthfulness:

    http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1720505.shtml?cat=1

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  59. Admit it D2, you just dig his wide stance ..

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  60. We haven't heard from Evil for a while. Hope he's OK.

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  61. "Admit it D2, you just dig his wide stance .."

    That's not what he's looking at. He doesn't see the big picture on anything, ever. Now, dreams, that's a different story.

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  62. "He doesn't see the big picture on anything"

    That sounds like Greg tluck. He and other liberals can't attack Michele Bachmann on her policies, so that make personal attacks. They fail to realize that her liberal opponent if elected would be a rubber stamp for an unpopular radical socialist President who continues to create policies which the American people oppose. We need to vote out the morons who help Obama take us down the wrong path, not elect more of them.

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  63. "That sounds like Greg tluck. He and other liberals can't attack Michele Bachmann on her policies, so that make personal attacks."

    Her 'policies' are based on lies.

    It's not personal, it's just the facts.

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  64. "Her 'policies' are based on lies"

    Saying we need to reduce taxes and cut spending is NOT lying Greg. How in the world could you think that?

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  65. "Saying we need to reduce taxes and cut spending is NOT lying Greg. How in the world could you think that?"

    Where is her explanation and expected outcomes of this route D2? Or does she just use the words without any meat behind them.

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  66. "the only attempts I see are end runs around it"

    The dems advocate letting the Bush tax cuts sunset - the neocons lobby to re-up 'em. Which is a more realistic and fiscally sound proposition right now, tluck? We have a contemporary example of the "spending cuts only" method of deficit reduction right here in the great state of Minnesota, courtesy of TPaw. How's it working out? My point is the neocons are against ANY form of tax increase - and this is delusional. If you're in a hole and you want to get out, quit digging.

    "Saying we need to reduce taxes and cut spending is NOT lying"

    Reduce taxes, eh? Dtroll, we're AT WAR. Remember? All those Muslim extremists that have you cowering under your bed? Well, we've been fighting them since 2001, and believe it or not, freedom isn't free. Then there's the deficit that your teabagging friends have recently come to notice, but let's just keep it simple. No administration has ever REDUCED taxes during wartime other than W's, and you can see the consequences all around you for this fiscal policy. Time to quit with the borrow and spend. The party is over.

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  67. "Reduce taxes, eh?"

    Yes Monnty. History shows us that you NEVER raise taxes during a recession. The Obama recession is lasting as long as it has because of liberal policies, and if he raises taxes by ending the much needed Bush tax cuts, we could be headed for a depression.

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  68. "History shows us that you NEVER raise taxes during a recession."

    Unless your name is Reagan

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  69. Reagan didn't want to raise taxes, but he had to wheel and deal with high tax loving democrats to pull us out of the Jimmy Carter recession.

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  70. So this statement you made....

    "History shows us that you NEVER raise taxes during a recession."

    was yet another lie from D2.

    Did Bachmann send you that email.

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  71. ""History shows us that you NEVER raise taxes during a recession."

    was yet another lie from D2."

    Reagan raised some just to get liberal democrat cooperation to pull us out of the the Carter/Democrat Congress recession, but overall he LOWERED taxes which stimulated the economy and put us on the right track to economic recovery.

    Obama and his democrat socialist party are taking us down the opposite tarck of recovery and they need to be voted out.

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  72. D2 .. you must have a helluva rash sitting in so much bullshit.

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  73. "D2 .. you must have a helluva rash sitting in so much bullshit."

    Typical liberal statement. When rings are run around them logically, they make make personal attacks.

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  74. "D2 + Logic = False"

    Typical liberal statement. When rings are run around them logically, they make make personal attacks.

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  75. It's not an attack ..

    just an observation.

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  76. "The Obama recession is lasting as long as it has because of liberal policies, and if he raises taxes by ending the much needed Bush tax cuts, we could be headed for a depression"

    So much disinformation, so little time. Dtroll, the recession started during W's watch, so that would make it his, like it or not. The Bush tax cuts came just before and while we were at war, something no other administration in our history has done, adding to the deficit problems we now face. And you don't know logic from logjam, all you know are the same tired lies and disinformation that I've ever read from a post of yours. My question is - Why do you hate America so much?
    Have a great weekend, Greg. I'm headed up north-

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