What should we laud or lament in the year just ended? Where should we turn our attention in 2011? One troubling trend, I suggest, dwarfs all others in importance. It's the shrinking influence and declining prestige of religion in our nation today.
Increasingly, Americans see religion as a private matter with little to contribute to public debate -- even on issues with moral dimensions, such as marriage and family, abortion and euthanasia. In the crusade to banish faith from public life, judges order county courthouses to be stripped of plaques listing the Ten Commandments, and activists attack Christian hospitals that decline to perform abortions.
Our growing distaste for religion springs, in part, from our modern hatred of constraints on our behavior, and from our equating freedom with living exactly as we please. Judeo-Christianity presents an obstacle here. It holds that there are universal moral truths -- accessible to reason -- that should shape our conduct, and that create obligations to others that require sacrifices we might prefer not to make.
In recent decades, the rise of psychology -- which is replacing religion as a vehicle for understanding what it means to be human -- has greatly facilitated our cherished project of throwing off moral constraints. Almost 50 years ago, psychologist Philip Rieff spelled out the implications in his seminal book, "The Triumph of the Therapeutic."
Rieff wrote that our society's model for the organization of personality -- our paragon, or character ideal -- has undergone a radical shift. The Christian model of man, he explained, dominant for 1,500 years, has been increasingly replaced by "psychological man" as our society's primary character type. The "soul" has been replaced by the "self."
Why does this matter? Traditional Christianity, Rieff observed, made great moral demands on believers. Its goal was salvation; consequently, it exhorted believers to "die to self," repent of sin, and cultivate virtue, self-discipline and humility.
Psychological man, however, rejects the idea of sin and the very possibility of truth. He aspires to nothing higher than "feeling good about himself," and sees nothing more at stake in life than what Rieff calls "a manipulable sense of well-being." While Christian man strives for virtue, says Rieff, psychological man seeks only health, safety and material well-being. While Christian man works to control his impulses, psychological man rushes to release them.
As psychology edges out religion in American life, the language of good and evil is disappearing. As the "self" replaces the "soul," we no longer place priority on cultivating virtue, or see it as possible or even desirable.
The consequences for our personal lives are evident everywhere -- from our crumbling families to our voracious consumerism and our shallow and juvenile popular culture. Increasingly, we aspire to nothing nobler than a big-ticket "entertainment center" in the living room or a Lexus in the garage.
But the growing influence of the psychological model of man also has serious, long-term implications for the health of American democracy. That's because it undercuts a principle at the heart of our nation's founding -- the idea that there is a profound connection between virtue and self-government.
America's founders understood this connection well. They knew that democracy is more than a political arrangement -- it's also a moral and spiritual enterprise. (This is one reason self-government has been so rare in world history.) To flourish, a democracy requires men and women who are not just conglomerations of desires, but virtuous citizens -- honest, courageous, self-controlled and public-spirited.
A society that takes "psychological man" as its character ideal does not foster citizens of this kind, for honesty, generosity and self-restraint don't come naturally to human beings. These traits are difficult to acquire, and require suppression or rechanneling of baser human instincts. Only a society with a moral system based on claims of transcendent truth can help its citizens overcome their selfish tendencies, and successfully cultivate virtue.
James Madison, one of American democracy's greatest architects, explained the connection between virtue and freedom this way: "Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people is a chimerical idea."
Today, we Americans take our democracy for granted. But our founders warned that our system of self-government is an experiment, and is not guaranteed to succeed. If we allow the "ordered liberty" they envisioned to degenerate to license -- as our embrace of the psychological model of man makes likely -- our experiment may fail.
In the words of theologian George Weigel, "Freedom must be tethered to truth and ordered to goodness if freedom is not to become its own undoing."
Hmm .. sounds like someone is promoting theocracy.
ReplyDelete"America's founders understood this connection well. They knew that democracy is more than a political arrangement -- it's also a moral and spiritual enterprise. (This is one reason self-government has been so rare in world history.) To flourish, a democracy requires men and women who are not just conglomerations of desires, but virtuous citizens -- honest, courageous, self-controlled and public-spirited."
ReplyDeleteKatherine hits the nail on the head once again!
"Katherine hits the nail on the head once again! "
ReplyDeleteSo you think that in order to be "honest, courageous, self-controlled and public-spirited", you need to be part of a religion?
Hmmmm ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_evangelist_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
http://tillerstillers.blogspot.com/2007/12/clergy-abuse-scandal-catholic-clergy.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=275x5312
"America's founders understood this connection well. They knew that democracy is more than a political arrangement -- it's also a moral and spiritual enterprise. (This is one reason self-government has been so rare in world history.) To flourish, a democracy requires men and women who are not just conglomerations of desires, but virtuous citizens -- honest, courageous, self-controlled and public-spirited."
ReplyDeleteI agree to the veracity of this statement. And while KK doesn't come right out and say it - which is rather chicken shitted on her part - she implies that the way to a virtuous citizenry is through christianity. Again, this is true, BUT, it's not the ONLY way. Human virtue is not attainable exclusively through the teachings of christ, just as it is not attainable exclusively through the teachings of mohammad, or the buddha, or don juan, and so on. People of good will can learn from ALL of these - and more.
I agree with you, Greg. I think KK is promoting the idea of a christian theocracy here in the USA. She just doesn't have the guts to come right out and say it.
See, there's this thing about a theocratic government that's very scary ... and should be. KK writes in a tone that is very orwellian in nature with a twist ... it's dependence on religion.
ReplyDeleteThe 'virtues' KK speaks of have no dependence on organized or personal religion - none, nada, zero. Those attributes are taught, and it doesn't matter if they're taught by a religious person or just a good neighbor.
"She just doesn't have the guts to come right out and say it. "
ReplyDeleteI'm finding that chicken shit gig is pretty much the norm for the new age fascists.
They also seem to be quite adept at not directly answering questions ...
truth can sometimes be far too difficult to face.
"So you think that in order to be "honest, courageous, self-controlled and public-spirited", you need to be part of a religion?"
ReplyDeleteOur Founding Fathers turned out pretty good, didn't they Greg!
"Our Founding Fathers turned out pretty good, didn't they Greg! "
ReplyDeleteWhich is why they also saw the wisdom of a democracy and not a theocracy .. .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
Who is calling for a theocracy except for Muslims wanting to impose Sharia law on society Greg?
ReplyDelete"Who is calling for a theocracy except for Muslims wanting to impose Sharia law on society Greg?"
ReplyDeleteYourself and KK for starters even though you're both too chicken shit to admit it.
"Yourself and KK for starters even though you're both too chicken shit to admit it."
ReplyDeleteDo you have a link to prove your rediculous claims Greg?
"Do you have a link to prove your rediculous claims Greg?"
ReplyDeleteSure .. this one also gives a bit of evidence as to your racist tendencies as well.
www.dare2sayit.com
Here's another one that delves into the true intentions as well, as subliminal as they may be ...
http://www.startribune.com/bios/10645201.html
D2 .. should I go and find a reference of you referring to the US as a 'Christian Nation'?
ReplyDelete"D2 .. should I go and find a reference of you referring to the US as a 'Christian Nation'?"
ReplyDeleteGo for it. We aren't a Christian Nation, but we ARE a Nation of Christians.
"We aren't a Christian Nation, but we ARE a Nation of Christians"
ReplyDeleteWe aren't a Christian Nation, but we ARE a Nation of at least 310 religious denominations - and atheists.
Fixed it.
You sure need alot of fixing, dtroll.
"We aren't a Christian Nation, but we ARE a Nation of Christians. "
ReplyDeletePotatoes.
As Monty pointed out .... 300 plus.
"we ARE a Nation of at least 310 religious denominations - and atheists."
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately we are getting away from the values our Founding Fathers taught us, but we are still a Nation of Christians (among a few other groups today).
"Unfortunately we are getting away from the values our Founding Fathers taught us, but we are still a Nation of Christians (among a few other groups today)."
ReplyDeletePart of why we are getting away from values is the insistance that we become exclusive. That was not the premise ....
"Part of why we are getting away from values is the insistance that we become exclusive."
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean by that Greg?
"KK promotes theocracy"
ReplyDeleteAnother lie Greg, where does she say that? Just more bashing of conservative women by the radical left.
American Muslim indicted for wanting to join US military to kill soldiers:
ReplyDeleteLearn more at:
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/american-muslim-indicted-for-wanting-to-join-us-military-to-kill-soldiers
"What do you mean by that Greg? "
ReplyDeleteIt means extremism will not make this a better country or solve any issues, it will only make things worse.
As an extremist, you will never figure that out D2.
"Another lie Greg, where does she say that? Just more bashing of conservative women by the radical left. "
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not a lie ... however, KK is subtle in her approach and you support it knowing fully well the means.
Greg, the only problem we have with extremism in this country is with radical leftist socialists and Islamists.
ReplyDelete"Greg, the only problem we have with extremism in this country is with radical leftist socialists and Islamists."
ReplyDeleteYou forgot right wing fascists like yourself and Michelle Bachmann to name two. There's quite a few more ...
unfortunately.
"You forgot right wing fascists like yourself and Michelle Bachmann to name two."
ReplyDeleteHogwash Greg!
So far this Christmas, Religion of Peace devotees have bombed a church in the Philippines, blown up 45 flood refugees waiting in line for Western food aid, plotted to bomb a Christmas tree lighting in Oregon and a recruitment center in Maryland, massacred 86 innocents in attacks on Nigerian churches, planned to poison American food buffets and implant bombs in human bodies, plotted the slaughter of civilians in Holland, London and a newspaper office in Denmark... and even set off the first suicide blast in Sweden, which was intended for Christmas shoppers.
ReplyDeleteSo when do we stop pretending that Islam is just another religion?
Just me, but I think D2 is promoting the eradication of an entire religion and those practicing it.
ReplyDelete"Just me"
ReplyDeleteIt's just you liberals Greg.
And in D2's mind, the eradication of an entire religion and those practicing that religion isn't extreme ...
ReplyDeletenor would burning down an entire apple orchard because you found one bad apple.
"It's just you liberals Greg. "
ReplyDeleteNo, but what are you promoting then D2?
Are you promoting that not all Muslims are bad? or are you promoting that all Muslims are bad?
"And in D2's mind, the eradication of an entire religion and those practicing that religion isn't extreme ..."
ReplyDeleteWhat a liar! When did I ever say anything remotely like that?
My only concern is keeping backward cultures who want to destroy the civilized world away from it, but liberals welcome them with open arms and their suicidal immigration policies.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_Hate.htm
ReplyDelete"What a liar! When did I ever say anything remotely like that?"
ReplyDeletePretty much constantly. When is the last time you differentiated that not all persons practicing the Muslim faith are not terrorists?
Can you show me that?
See D2, you're a compulsive liar and most people who have witnessed your blog exploits are well aware of this (which is why you can't stand being called a liar - because it's the truth).
"My only concern is keeping backward cultures who want to destroy the civilized world away from it, but liberals welcome them with open arms and their suicidal immigration policies. "
ReplyDeleteSo anyone who doesn't think like you is uncivilized?
"So anyone who doesn't think like you is uncivilized?"
ReplyDeleteWake up Man, Islam is a threat to our safety.
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List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
"Wake up Man, Islam is a threat to our safety. "
ReplyDeleteNo, extremists are a threat to our safety and our country D2....
and not all of them are Muslim.
Greg, Europe needs to be on a constant high alert for Islamioc terror today because of their suicidal immigration policies. Do you really want the same thing to happen here? We have enough problems with Islamic terror with our low but raoidly growing percentage of Muslims.
ReplyDeleteYou haven't shown me once where you differentiate between Muslims and terrorists D2... not once.
ReplyDeleteYou're lying ....
you do want to exterminate an entire religion and those that practice it.
"Unfortunately we are getting away from the values our Founding Fathers taught us"
ReplyDeleteThis country was founded by people who came here to be free to practice whatever religion they wanted. Ever hear of the puritans, dtroll? They came to America so they could be free from religious persecution and worship their god as they saw fit.
Why do you hate America, dtroll?
"You haven't shown me once where you differentiate between Muslims and terrorists D2... not once."
ReplyDeleteAll I've said is that there is a high percentage of Muslims as a whole who support Islamic terror and I've show this to you many times Greg. We need to stop the importation of Muslims to live in the civilized western world until they get rid of their radical element which always shows up in Muslim immigration. All of the Minnesota Somali's going to blow themselves up overseas is unacceptable.
"you do want to exterminate an entire religion and those that practice it"
Lair. I just want their sharia law, stoning, arranged marriages, polygamy, female genital mutilation, intolerance, head to toe black Muslim garb, Jihad, etc, etc, etc, kept out of the United States and other civilized western countries.
"This country was founded by people who came here to be free to practice whatever religion they wanted."
ReplyDeleteYes, and nobody is trying to change that except for liberals who are trying to dismantle Christianity (except when it supports illegal immigration and gay marriage).
Islam today however seems to be more of a political movement with an agenda of conquering the world through any means necessary than a religion Monty.
Egypt arrests 7 over deadly Coptic church attack in Alexandria
ReplyDeleteSecurity forces investigating the country's worst sectarian attack since 1999 focus on a local group inspired by al-Qaida
"Egyptian security forces today were holding seven people in connection with the terrorist bombing of a church in Alexandria that killed 21 people, in Egypt's worst sectarian violence in a decade.
The suicide attack in the Mediterranean port city struck Coptic Christian worshippers as they were leaving midnight mass about 30 minutes into the new year."
Learn more at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/02/egypt-arrest-17-coptic-attack-alexandria
Iraqi immigrant accused of killing his daughter in hit-and-run attack because she was 'too westernised'
ReplyDeleteFaleh Hassan Almaleki, 50, faces life in jail if convicted of so-called 'honour killing'
Learn more at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1343589/Iraqi-immigrant-Faleh-Hassan-Almaleki-trial-hit-run-kill-westernised-daughter.html#ixzz19z17MZer
Guess I forgot to add honor killings in Muslim behaviors I don't want imported to the civilized western world.
Minn. Educators Hoping for More Muslim Books in Public Schools:
ReplyDeleteLearn more at:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/minn-educators-hoping-for-more-muslim-books-in-public-schools/
Liberals have been trying to keep anything Christian like Christmas out of government run public schools for decades, but they are OK with spreading Islam.
"All I've said is that there is a high percentage of..."
ReplyDeleteBlah, blah, blah ....
All that comes out of your mouth is that Muslims and Islam are/is bad. You have one expressed purpose and that is to provide a reason for people to hate. You might fool some, but there are far more than you think that know what you're up to.
"I just want their sharia law, stoning, arranged marriages, polygamy, female genital mutilation, intolerance, head to toe black Muslim garb, Jihad, etc, etc, etc, kept out of the United States and other civilized western countries. "
It's already here and has been for some time. And get this D2, it's not stuff that happens solely by Muslims. Look at each one of your points and tell me those things have never happened here and were perpetrated by people that were not Muslim.
I'm sure you'll lie and/or come up with some kind of misdirection but the truth is this ..
you won't admit that you're really trying to accomplish.
"Yes, and nobody is trying to change that except for liberals who are trying to dismantle Christianity (except when it supports illegal immigration and gay marriage). "
So people are trying to outlaw Christianity? Has there EVER been a time where you were NOT allowed to participate in a church service of your choosing? Did ANYONE ever even remotely suggest that?
You're blowing more smoke to instill hate again D2 ...
and you're lying to do it.
"Islam today however seems to be more of a political movement with an agenda of conquering the world through any means necessary than a religion Monty. "
And politicians here aren't attaching themselves to a particular religion at all D2?
Hypocrite and a liar.
See D2, what you don't realize is that when you keep on with your misinformation and attempts to garner hatred towards a particular religion and/or culture you're just giving reason for recruitment. It also spreads unwarranted fear and detracts from pursuing the real threats.
ReplyDeleteA terrorist is a terrorist regardless of religion, culture, or reason.
People need to stop promoting the fear and start focusing on what the issue is .. terrorism.
Of course, this means people like you D2 will need to stop lying and learn not to hate other cultures just because they're not like you.
"A terrorist is a terrorist regardless of religion, culture, or reason."
ReplyDeleteVirtually all of the terrorists in the world are Muslim.
"People need to stop promoting the fear and start focusing on what the issue is .. terrorism."
And you liberals need to start realizing that when you import a lot of Muslims, your risk of Islmaic terrorism goes way up. It's very hard to separate out the terrorists from Muslim, some turn radical after they get here and some have kids who wil turn radical like we've seen in the large Minnesota Somali population.
"And you liberals need to start realizing that when you import a lot of Muslims, your risk of Islmaic terrorism goes way up."
ReplyDeleteNo, it goes way up when people like you perpetrate lies and misinformation in order to promote hatred.
If ya beat a dog long enough it'll start biting everything and everybody D2 ..
Greg, don't you think we need to at least do a better job of screening Muslims before they immigrate here? For a while Somali "refugee" importation was halted because of security concerns, but unfortunately is started up full blast again with thousands heading to St. Cloud. Could we stop some Muslim terror like the Christmas tree bomber and the Somali Jihadists living in Minnesota? Or is Islamic terror just a part of Islamic immigration and something we need to learn to live with?
ReplyDelete"Or is Islamic terror just a part of Islamic immigration and something we need to learn to live with? "
ReplyDelete1. Stop referring to it as 'islamic'.
2. It's terrorism and it's home grown.
3. It's homegrown because people are becoming disenfranchised or ostracised.
Ever notice that the kids who join gangs are outcasts, or have problems with family, home life, etc?
Well, terrorist cells/organizations look for recruits the same way as a gang does ... they look for those who need companionship or just a family sense.
The more we ostracize a particular group when they're in this country the more likely they are to listen to radical thoughts and turn to those who 'appear' to care for them. They want a sense of belonging.
Slowly but surely ties are beginning to form between the Somali community and local leadership. The trust is growing stronger and as it does so does the intel needed to stop the potentials from happening.
Our own population would do well by understanding that the more you accept these folks the more you'll see the incidents slow and you might even be surprised to learn something.
Try going to the International Market down by Abbot hospital in South Mpls some day. There's alot of interesting things to see and some interesting people also ..
Every culture has some bad apples .. but there's more good than bad.
"Stop referring to it as 'islamic'."
ReplyDeleteIt sure isn't Christian Greg. Virtually all terror attacks today are done by Muslims in the name of their religion.
"It's homegrown because people are becoming disenfranchised or ostracised."
No, it's because they are Muslims and there is a strong radical element thriving worldwide in Islam. We bend over forwards for groups like the Somali's and you know it.
"Every culture has some bad apples .. but there's more good than bad."
ReplyDeleteTrue, but when a high percentage of a certain group supports Islamic terror, that's much more than a few "bad apples". Unlike you, I care about the safety of fellow Americans while you put multiculturalism above it.
You're just a racist idiot D2. There's nothing more to it than that ... pure and simple racism.
ReplyDeleteYou know NOTHING about terrorism and even less about the Muslim faith and the Somali culture.
What's worse is that you're a recruiting tool for terrorism in our own country.
D2, why do you hate this country so much to propagate terrorism on our own soil?
"What's worse is that you're a recruiting tool for terrorism in our own country"
ReplyDeleteNo, you liberals are doing that by importing thousands and thousands of Muslims here to get on our liberal welfare system. That doesn't make sense for our national security OR our economy.
We must you believe that all cultures are equally good? They are not.
Greg,
ReplyDeleteThis link might offend your sense of liberalism, but everything in it is true:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Like I posted earlier, you're just a lying racist D2. No clue whatsoever of what fuels terrorism and NO idea of different cultures.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you hate this country so much D2?
"you're just a lying racist D2"
ReplyDeleteGreg, I've shown you the facts, but you're too blinded by your own liberalism to understand them. Seems like liberals always play the race card when they are confronted with logic and common sense.
Let's all be happy and pretend their aren't cultures out there who hate us and want to change or to kill us.
Geert Wilders
ReplyDeleteThe Islamization of Europe
February 2, 2009
I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West.
The danger I see looming is the scenario of America as the last man standing. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.
The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the landmarks. The Eiffel Tower and Trafalgar Square and Rome's ancient buildings and maybe the canals of Amsterdam. They are still there. And they still look very much the same as they did a hundred years ago.
But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world, a world very few visitors see - and one that does not appear in your tourist guidebook. It is the world of the parallel society created by Moslem mass-migration.
All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Moslem neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well.
It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity.
These are Moslem ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Moslem neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Moslem: just take Amsterdam, Marseille, and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities over 50% of the under-18 population is Moslem.
Learn more at:
http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/wilders/2009/02022009.htm
Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Moslem neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities. Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal (Moslem kosher) food to all pupils.
D2, you've yet to display 'facts'. You've simply cut and pasted propaganda to help influence your campaign of hate....
ReplyDeletewhich will NOT stop terrorists or terrorism, it will only fuel it.
Again, why do you hate America so much D2 to increase the potential of terrorist acts with your propaganda?
"You've simply cut and pasted propaganda"
ReplyDeleteCall it whatever you want but it's all true.
"Call it whatever you want but it's all true. "
ReplyDeleteSure, it's like taking a picture of your backyard and telling people "this is the USA!".
It's all about impression and you know it D2.
Misinformation is a form of terrorism and you are adept at it.
Why do you hate America so much to be a misinformation terrorist and provide fodder for others to promote more terrorism?
"Misinformation is a form of terrorism and you are adept at it."
ReplyDeleteAgain, everything I have said or linked to is true. Shouldn't we learn from the mistakes Europe has made so we don't repeat them? It would be ignorant not to.
"Again, everything I have said or linked to is true. Shouldn't we learn from the mistakes Europe has made so we don't repeat them? It would be ignorant not to."
ReplyDeleteYou're posting only part of the story ... maybe 10% at best.
Of course, that's why you only post those parts. It's to influence people to hate.
It's your 'thing'.
D2, why do you hate America so much to invoke misinformation terrorism?
Paris conference targets 'Islamization' of Europe:
ReplyDelete"At the lunch break, organizers served wine and pork sausage — typical products of France that are shunned by many Muslims. Alcohol and pork are forbidden by Islam."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-12-19-Islam_Europe20_ST_N.htm
Nice touch!
"You're posting only part of the story ... maybe 10% at best."
ReplyDeletePlease fill us in on the other 90% Greg, the multicultural BS.
As we are seeing in Europe, massive Muslim immigration does much more harm than good, kind of like illegal immigration in the U.S. without the Islamic terror.
"Please fill us in on the other 90% Greg, the multicultural BS. "
ReplyDeleteHa! Of course you call it BS because it doesn't promote the racist views you want everyone to grasp.
How many Somali's have immigrated to the US D2? And how many of them are terrorists?
Can you tell us that?
Somalis with terrorist links feared headed to U.S. border
ReplyDeleteLearn more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/somalis-terrorist-links-feared-headed-us-border#ixzz1A0vt7VBm
I'll bet they're heading to Minnesota where they can blend in and not be noticed.
"How many Somali's have immigrated to the US D2?"
ReplyDeleteFar too many, we can't afford it.
"And how many of them are terrorists?"
There have been many Somali's caught with links to Islamic terror, not just in Minnesota, but in the rest of the US and in Europe. Somali immigrants tried to blow up train stations in England not that long again, and they would have killed hundreds of innocent people of they were trained better.
"I'll bet they're heading to Minnesota where they can blend in and not be noticed. "
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm sure you're warning everyone ...
"There have been many Somali's...."
ReplyDeleteSo you don't know.
Imagine that.
Spreading misinformation.
Why do you hate America so much D2?
And then there is the Somali Sex Ring Greg:
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The defendants have pleaded not guilty. Attorneys for brothers Abdifatah (British) Omar and Mohamed (Moe D) Omar declined to comment.
But other interviews, police reports and court documents reveal how investigators with the Gerald Vick Human Trafficking Task Force in St. Paul tracked the case for years.
According to the grand jury indictment made public last month, investigators allege that members of the Somali Outlaws, Somali Mafia and Lady Outlaws gangs pushed girls as young as 12 into prostitution for a decade. One victim, Jane Doe One, was first taken from Minneapolis to Nashville in December 2005 to sell for sex. She was 13 at the time.
There, investigators say, she and other girls were set up in a brothel-like apartment. Jane Doe One told an FBI agent that some of the men she was forced to have sex with were so repulsive, the only way she could endure it was to inhale gasoline fumes or use drugs.
But it was an April 2009 traffic stop that proved pivotal to the case.
Using information from the parents of another girl who had run away -- Jane Doe Two -- members of the Vick Task Force, including Weyker, Special Agent Tom Boyle of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and others, tracked the girl and several men from Minneapolis.
The men picked the girl up from school on Friday, allegedly passed her around several times for sex over the weekend at locations across the Twin Cities, then drove to Nashville to sell her there. Investigators say the men in the car -- Haji Salad, Adbullah Afyare, Abdikarim Ali, Andrew Kayachith and Yassin Yusuf -- made a cell phone video of the girl engaging in sex with them during the drive.
They checked into the Rodeway Inn on Murfreesboro Pike. Many of the city's 6,000 or so Somalis live near the busy commercial strip.
On Tuesday, April 28, the Somalis from Minnesota stopped at a Somali restaurant at the corner of Murfreesboro and Nance. Nashville police stopped the 1999 Lincoln as it left the parking lot. Police were acting at the request of ICE agents working the case. Jane Doe Two was in the car.
An affidavit filed in Davidson County, Tenn., against Abdullahi (Forehead) Afyare, said the girl "said she had sex with her boyfriend and his friends while they were in Minnesota. She said they left Minnesota and drove to Nashville on Monday, 4/27/09. The defendant [Afyare] said he knew they were in trouble because the victim is 14 years old."
Learn more at:
http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/112735534.html?elr=KArksUUUoDEy3LGDiO7aiU
Fine young immigrants, right Greg..... These scumbags push girls as young as 12 into prostitution.
"And then there is the Somali Sex Ring Greg:"
ReplyDeleteYou never mentioned these ..
http://www.startribune.com/local/47128727.html
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/new_jersey/090807_Sex_Ring_Bust_In_New_Jersey
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-chicago/feds-bust-child-sex-ring-chicago-aurora-police-arrest-9-during-reverse-sex-sting-mug-slideshow
There's many, many more D2. Why don't you ever mention them?
Why do you want to make people hate America D2?
"You never mentioned these .."
ReplyDeleteI doubt any of those involve 12 year old girls Greg, the type of girl these somali gang scumbags recruit into their prostitution rings.
Now that I think about it, this isn't surprising with the way Muslims treat women. Maybe we should be more tolerant of Muslim men treating their women and girls like farm animals, right Greg?
ReplyDelete"Maybe we should be more tolerant of Muslim men treating their women and girls like farm animals, right Greg? "
ReplyDeleteI've known many, many dudes that treat their wives like that D2 ...
and they aren't Muslim.
When are you going to figure out that no matter how hard you try to villainize the Muslim faith, there's an example of Christians doing the same thing.
And btw, if you look closely, you'll see that those links I posted include using children in the sex rings...
Why do you want to make people hate America D2?
Islamic terrorist organization recruits Norwegian Somali youths:
ReplyDelete"Islamic Somali militant group Al-Shabaab is actively recruiting young Scandinavians to join its terror network. At least five Norwegian-Somalis are involved with the organization"
"Somali expert Stig Jarle Hansen, associate professor at the Norwegian University of Life Sciences in Ã…s, is also concerned. He says his sources in Somalia tell him there are five or six Norwegian Somalis fighting for Al-Shabaab.
“I am worried that some of those who are taken down there and come back to Norway will return with a different mindset than before they left.
Bashe Musse believes second-generation Norwegian-Somalis are more vulnerable to extremist ideologies because of the language and cultural barrier. Often, their parents only speak their mother tongue."
Learn more at:
http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/islamic-terrorist-organization-recruits-norwegian-somali-youths/
What makes you so sure this isn't happening in Minnesota?
"I've known many, many dudes that treat their wives like that D2 ..."
ReplyDeleteIt's uncommon in the civilized western world while it's the norm with Islam.
"It's uncommon in the civilized western world while it's the norm with Islam. "
ReplyDeleteIt is? And you know how many practicing Muslims D2?
D2, you remind me of those old ladies hanging out in the coffee shop gossiping about other folks ..
ReplyDeletetrying to convince themselves how much better they are.
What's funny, is that you probably dress the same as them too!
Greg, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali woman who now speaks out against Islam, despite having to live in hiding because of death threats from Muslims:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.liquida.com/page/4142315/
She ran away from home as a child because she didn't want any part of the arranged marriage her Muslim father sold her in to. Is she a racist as well?
No, she's not a racist ....she just doesn't like a particular religion.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, you ARE a racist. You continually instill hate through your posts about entire cultures.
There's no comparison between that lady and you D2 .. None, zero, nada ..
This is just one more example of your misdirection in order to justify your racism.
Why do you hate America D2?
"she just doesn't like a particular religion"
ReplyDeleteIt's much more than that Greg. You should listen to some of the reasons why she escaped from Islam. Again, if she is comes out of hiding, Muslims will kill her for speaking her mind, but then again, that's very common in the Muslim community, look at all the death threats over the Mohammed cartoons for example.
I don't see Christians threatening to kill liberals when they thrash the Bible and call it "art".
Okay D2, obviously you cannot think logically or outside of the box you've sealed yourself in.
ReplyDeleteRadicals and extremists exist in all religions and political genres. You, of all people should know this since you're one of them .... or maybe you're so screwed up you can't.
There are Christians who have threatened violence on others for not believing in a way they considered 'correct'. Consider violence associated with abortion doctors and clinics to name one.
What you fail to realize is that ANY form of extremism is not going to lead to any kind of resolution .. none. In your case, the constant lying, determination to propagate hatred and bigogry, will never give way to a resolution, it will only produce chaos.
Greg,
ReplyDeleteDo you think Europe is better or worse off because of it's large and rapidly growing Muslim population?
And I'll bet anyone a case of blog budweiser that Greg gives me a run around non-answer like usual.
ReplyDelete"And I'll bet anyone a case of blog budweiser that Greg gives me a run around non-answer like usual. "
ReplyDeleteThat has GOT to be the funniest thing you've said in probably forever ...
maybe you can show me how to craft a non-answer D2.
But to answer your question ...
Europe has NOT handled the migration of ANY culture well. In particular, Germany is horrible. I was witness to the migration of the East Germans to West Germany in the 80's. The planning and execution was awful ... the welcome arms were incredible, but the rest was a flop. Within one year, there was alot of anger and distraught residents as-well-as immigrants.
Europe is very welcoming place, but not real adept at the follow-through which is why they have an influx and why they are having more issues then they should. In short, they have a very wide entry point, but the end of the road is very, very narrow. This means large amounts of frustration on the current and resident propulation as-well-as the immigrants.
Now, according to you, ANY and ALL muslims are just bad no matter what because they're not Christians so that must be why there can be or are issues. The reality is much different but reality is something you don't like very much D2 since it means you have to admit to your racist and bigoted ways.
You never did manage to answer why you hate America so much D2 .. along with dozens of other questions you ignore since it means you have to face reality.
the·oc·ra·cy /θiˈɒkrÉ™si/ Show Spelled
ReplyDelete[thee-ok-ruh-see] Show IPA
–noun, plural -cies.
1. a form of government in which god or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities.
2. a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission.
3. a commonwealth or state under such a form or system of government.
Lets start with...
Number one- Iran or having to GO pee
number two- Isreal or having to GO poop
Number three- europe or having to go number one and two at the same approximate time coinsiding with an explosion of either guilt and/or relief.
"The planning and execution was awful ... the welcome arms were incredible, but the rest was a flop. Within one year, there was alot of anger and distraught residents as-well-as immigrants."
ReplyDeleteIt's beginning to look a lot like a boat lift
Ev'rywhere you go;
Take a look at the cuban exodus burning in the sun
With the emptying of the prisons
It's beginning to look a lot like the Mariel Boatlift
burning of the camps
But the prettiest sight to see is the criminal that will be
On your own front door.
"Europe is very welcoming place, but not real adept at the follow-through which is why they have an influx and why they are having more issues then they should. In short, they have a very wide entry point, but the end of the road is very, very narrow. This means large amounts of frustration on the current and resident propulation as-well-as the immigrants."
ReplyDeletewell said liberal greg......butt what it really describes is the 3rd world America awash with the ilegal dreggs of other societies both foreign in substance and corrupt in the moral values that have sustained this country for thousands of years.
Once said to be a bastion of high quality thought and compassion we have reduced our utopia to a cinder block of ill gotten gains equal to nothing more than ass wiping "get me mine".
Ya know, this whole Bachmann running for president thing could be a good thing ..
ReplyDeleteOn one hand, with a national audience constantly seeing her, they'll find out just how wacked out she is and it has a high probability of also knocking out the modern day conservative/fascist party.
or ..
If people actually believe the lying lunatic and she gets elected, they'll soon find out just how nutz she is and the probability of impeachment is rather high. It would also bring to an end the modern day conservative/fascist party.
Lastly, her insanity and ability to shoot her mouth off will provide incredible material for the Daily Show and the Colbert report ...
this is a huge boon.
IF she decides to run I for one will contribute 5 dollars because of the above mentioned.
5 bucks for a good comedy show is an excellent bargain.
"Europe is very welcoming place, but not real adept...."
ReplyDeleteSo your answer is Europe is worse off for it's massive Muslim immigration. A simple answer would have been nice without the run around.
"Ya know, this whole Bachmann running for president thing could be a good thing .."
ReplyDeleteIt would drive you liberals absolutely insane if the first woman President was a Christian Conservative Greg. It would be worth voting for Michele just to see that.
"A simple answer would have been nice without the run around. "
ReplyDeleteIt's not a simple answer ... but for a known racist like yourself, you don't want the entire story to be known since it won't work with your racist tendencies.
I think Bachmann is just running a scam .. she's probably going to build up a war chest for a supposed presidential run supplied by a couple hundred thousand D2 clones contributing money they don't have ...
ReplyDeletethen she'll disappear ...
with Glen Beck ..
or Sean Hannity ..
or both?
"It would drive you liberals absolutely insane if the first woman President was a Christian Conservative Greg."
ReplyDeleteIt wouldn't drive me nuts .. I think it would provide incredible comedy. She'd take off like I stated before and all the D2 clones wouldn't know what to do....
other than make up more lies to attempt to cover for her.
D2, do you think she'll hide in bushes spying on her competition?
ReplyDeleteI'll bet she does and wears an Obama mask.
Liberal Greg, you obviously LOVE the Islamization of the civilized western world, LOVE Man on Man marriage, LOVE socialist ObamaCare, LOVE opressively high taxes, and HATE Christians, especially of the female conservative variety, so please explain again why you're NOT a liberal?
ReplyDelete"...you obviously LOVE the Islamization of the civilized western world,"
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't believe in it like you are trying to get people to believe in order to propagate hatred towards a particular group.
"...LOVE Man on Man marriage.."
No, I don't love it. I don't see a problem with it and all of the rhetoric coming from liars like you and Bachmann are just that ... a bunch of lies. So, let them get married.
"...LOVE socialist ObamaCare";
No, but who's got a better option? Anyone? People like you try to blame the high cost on something other than what it is ... greed.
"...OVE opressively high taxes"
No, but I don't think that I should be paying 37% while someone who is making over 1mm is paying 17%.
"...and HATE Christians"
No. I am one. My whole family is Christian. I don't hate myself or my family. I don't like Christians telling lies about other groups in order to make people dislike and hate them though. In reality, it's those people (you and Bachmann) that hate Christianity since you're using it as a tool for hate.
"so please explain again why you're NOT a liberal? "
The only person that considers me liberal is you D2. And this is because you're a radical fascist who, along with many others, has hijacked the term 'conservative' and turned it into a radical fascist group of liars who are determined to destroy America.
"A simple answer would have been nice without the run around"
ReplyDeleteNow that's funny coming from you, dtroll. In this, as I'm sure many other areas of your life, you certainly do not practice what you preach.
"It would drive you liberals absolutely insane if the first woman President was a Christian Conservative Greg. It would be worth voting for Michele just to see that"
Except for the fact that Bachmann is not a christian. Christians don't tell Big Lies on a regular basis. You know, the 9th commandment? Oh, and there's the "love thy neighbor as thyself" thing that Jesus, talked about. Hard to see those things in the way Bachmann talks and acts. But I can see why YOU might call her christian, dtroll, since you're the same type of individual. Prejudiced, hateful and absolutely full of lies. That type of person is many things, but one of 'em ain't "Christian".
D2, latest rumor is that Bachmann is an illegal alien ...
ReplyDeleteshe's from ...
Uranus.
The hunt is on for her birth certificate now.
This oughta be good!
The comments on the strib article are funny ..
ReplyDeletehttp://comments.startribune.com/comments.php?d=asset_comments&asset_id=112933079&sort=L§ion=/politics/national&start=0
I bet she doesn't read them ..
Liberal Greg,
ReplyDeleteA good friend of mine is almost as liberal as you are, the only difference is that he comes right out and admits to being a socialist.
Why can't you be more honest Greg?
D2, it's most likely your 'good friend' looks at you in the mirror every day as an alter ego.
ReplyDeleteIt's the honest part of you which you're intent on drowning out in favor of the fascist, arrogant, egotistical, compulsive lying, void of cognitive thought personality you thrive on 95% of the time.
This is why Bachmann appeals to you, you're both suffering from the same disorder(s). Affordable healthcare isn't part of your agendas since it will probably mean having to face your 'issues' and take your meds.
I do think it's funny when you attempt to question the honesty of others ...
Definition of oxymoron - Bachmann on the Intelligence Committee
ReplyDelete"Affordable healthcare isn't part of your agendas"
ReplyDeleteObamaCare was the worst solution possible because it's seriously harming our economy. Common sense things like tort reform should be taking place right now to lower our healthcare costs, but democrats are scared of upsetting their bread and butter financial base of trial lawyers, so nothing was done.
"ObamaCare was the worst solution possible because it's seriously harming our economy."
ReplyDeleteHow so?
"Common sense things like tort reform should be taking place right now to lower our healthcare costs, but democrats are scared of upsetting their bread and butter financial base of trial lawyers, so nothing was done. "
http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/09/would_tort_reform_make_much_di.html
Liberal cleveland.com?
ReplyDeleteIn D2 world ..
ReplyDeleteTruth = Liberal
D2 no like truth.
Destroys his fascist lying ideology.
Pull your head out Liberal Greg.
ReplyDeleteSo while you're telling me to 'pull my head out' why don't you also explain how Obamacare is destroying our economy ..
ReplyDeletecan you?
I didn't think you could ..
ReplyDeletebut here's one part that should be changed.
The number of employees and when the business needs to provide insurance.
It should be based on revenue .. not the amount of employees.
Create a ratio between employees and revenue. When the revenue reaches a satisfactory point then it should kick in ...
however, it should also be after that revenue ratio is achieved for 3 consecutive years.
"why don't you also explain how Obamacare is destroying our economy .."
ReplyDeleteSure. ObamaCare care doesn't address the problems of why healthcare is so expensive like frivolous lawsuits against doctors, it's just a massive welfare program loaded with expensive mandadates and regulations which stiffle job growth.
"ObamaCare care doesn't address the problems of why healthcare is so expensive like frivolous lawsuits against doctors,..."
ReplyDeleteAnd how would tort reform reduce the cost of health insurance? Can you be specific?
"....t's just a massive welfare program loaded with expensive mandadates and regulations which stiffle job growth."
How so?
You're making very generalized statements without any kind of proof or statistics to prove your points....
in other words, you're just believing anything people like Shelly Bachmann tell you.
And lets face it, Bachmann is a proven nut case liar.
Personally, I think they should just take out money from any income you're making. A graduated scale. Much like happens with social security and medicare only the amount is based on your income.
ReplyDeleteYou, the consumer would be allowed to choose a plan from a provider and the provider would get the bucks. It's up to the provider to get your business.
Talk about making it competitive.
But here's the twist...
it doesn't matter how much you put in (i.e., the very wealthy don't get an advantage), you get the exact same choices. So, if you make 20k/year you will get the same healthcare as the fella making 20mm/yr.
Businesses are no longer hit with the cost and all Americans are covered since it would be mandatory.
Sharia law takes over in Dearborn, MI as Christians lose their First Amendment rights:
ReplyDeletehttp://theconstitutionalalamo.com/2010/06/26/sharia-law-takes-over-in-dearborn-mi-as-christians-lose-their-first-amendment-rights/
One Pill, Two Pill, Red Pill, Blue Pill: Top 10 Reasons Obamacare Is Wrong for America:
ReplyDeletehttp://fixhealthcarepolicy.com/research/obamacare-one-pill-two-pill-red-pill-blue-pill/
Survey: 81% of Detroit Muslims want Sharia in Muslim Countries:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/04/survey-81-of-detroit-muslims-want-sharia-in-muslim-countries.html
DOJ opening Muslim civil rights office in Metro Detroit?
ReplyDeletehttp://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/doj-opening-muslim-civil-rights-office-in-metro-detroit/
Muslim immigrant given 18 year prison sentence for screwdriver stabbing:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.startribune.com/local/south/113020259.html?elr=KArksUUUoDEy3LGDiO7aiU
These people tend to get in trouble a lot at an enormous cost to taxpayers. I wonder what the our tab will be for 18 years of lock up? No wonder our taxes are so high.
"Personally, I think they should just take out money from any income you're making."
ReplyDeleteMore confiscation of people's hard earned money. Typical socialist statement Liberal Greg.
"More confiscation of people's hard earned money. Typical socialist statement Liberal Greg. "
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not confiscating. It's making sure you have health insurance instead of groups of people NOT having it and using emergency rooms and/or defaulting on bills because they can't afford the cost of their medical bills.
Of course you're going to blame the emergency room business on immigrants, but if you try to prove it you can't. Defaulting on large medical bills isn't an immigrant problem, it's a national problem.
Of course, recognizing what the real problem is doesn't fit in your racist, bigoted lying fascist ideology. So you make shit up.
"Survey: 81% of Detroit Muslims want Sharia in Muslim Countries:"
ReplyDeleteSo? It's not our country is it?
Why does this disturb you so much D2? Do you want all countries to be Christian ... is that the problem?
"These people tend to get in trouble a lot at an enormous cost to taxpayers. I wonder what the our tab will be for 18 years of lock up? No wonder our taxes are so high. "
ReplyDeleteI wonder how much it cost to put Hecker in prison .. or what's his name from fingerhut?
What about the guys that shot a cop in Roseville? How much will that cost?
Do those things bother you D2?
Or is it just when it's someone who isn't a caucasian Christian that it bugs you.... cuz that's what it seems like since you only seem to post this type of news when it's regarding someone that is not a caucasian Christian.
Why is it that conservatives seem to hate anyone who is not white, intelligent, and successful?
ReplyDelete"DOJ opening Muslim civil rights office in Metro Detroit?:"
ReplyDeleteSo?
Creeping Sharia?
What a bunch of idiots those folks are. Trying to spread paranoia just like Hitler did in WWII with the Jewish people. You should be embarrassed even looking at that D2, but you're not because it helps fuel your insecurities and racist lying fascist tendencies.
"One Pill, Two Pill, Red Pill, Blue Pill: Top 10 Reasons Obamacare Is Wrong for America:"
ReplyDeleteMore paranoia and absolutely NO facts. None, zero, zilch.
Do you EVER look things up or check them out or just take for granted anything you get in your email links....
God doesn't like it when you don't respect the brain he gave you.
"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't one study that can be produced that shows carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." - Rep.Michele Bachmann
ReplyDeleteYep, she's real bright. She'd probably suggest we use it to heat our cars while we drive in them.
"So? It's not our country is it?"
ReplyDeleteAnyone supporting Sharia law anywhere is a Muslim extremist and therefore not a good American.
I guess it doesn't bother you that 81% of Detroit Muslims are Islamist extremists which gets back to what what I've been saying all along. Not ALL Muslims are radicals but a disturbingly high percentage of them are.
Muslim Rape Epidemic in Oslo, Norway / Muslimske Voldtekt Epidemien i Oslo
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvlFm4AwAqI&feature=related
According to liberals in Norway though, it's all the Norwegian girls faults for not dressing in head to toe Muslim garb.
"Anyone supporting Sharia law anywhere is a Muslim extremist and therefore not a good American."
ReplyDeleteBullshit. Since when do we have the right to tell another country how they should be run?
You think it's okay if China decides that instead of us paying them back we have to turn our government into one just like thiers?
You really are an arrogant lying fascist D2.
"I guess it doesn't bother you that 81% of Detroit Muslims are Islamist extremists "
No, because there's NO proof they're 'Islamic extremists' you idiot.
Muslim Rape Epidemic Puts Sweden at Top of Euro Rape Statistics:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=096_1267472543
"Since when do we have the right to tell another country how they should be run?"
ReplyDeleteI really don't care what they do Greg as long as they aren't hurting innocent people. What I care about is allowing people with radical Islamist views to live here.
"No, because there's NO proof they're 'Islamic extremists' you idiot."
ReplyDeleteOnly an Islamic extremist would support Sharia law Greg, and anyone with views like that needs to be removed from this country. If we can't do that, we need to at least stop the flood of extremists from coming here, it's suicidal.
Picture of Liberal Greg:
ReplyDeletehttp://lolsnaps.com/?media_id=740&cat_type=all&order_type=latest&pagenum=1
House Republicans Introduce Bill to Repeal Birthright Citizenship Amendment:
ReplyDeletehttp://patriotupdate.com/1382/house-republicans-introduce-bill-to-repeal-birthright-citizenship-amendment
At last! Some sanity brought back to Washington after socialist domination.
"And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."
ReplyDeletehttp://www.startribune.com/politics/national/congress/113134479.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU
This is exactly the kind of shit your lies propagate D2.....
"Giffords, 40, is a three-term moderate Democrat who narrowly won re-election in November against a tea party candidate as conservatives across the country sought to throw her from office over her support of the health care law. Her office in Tucson was vandalized in the hours after the House passed the overhaul last March as anger over the law spread across the country."
ReplyDeleteThese are your people D2 ..
that's something to be proud of isn't it.
Report: Giffords‘ Gunman ’Left Wing, Quite Liberal’
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-giffords-gunman-left-wing-quite-liberal/
"http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/congress/113144084.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3iU6:_0c:QyDiiUiacyKUbPi87EK_g:D_GD7EaDh_0c:aD:aUr"
ReplyDeleteThis is what lying does D2 ..
and you actually question the patriotism of others?
If you had ANY pride in yourself you'd get rid of that hateful lying website of yours and pray that none of your bullshit lying was the last straw for some idiot doing that kind of shit .;..
or maybe it was you.
"Report: Giffords‘ Gunman ’Left Wing, Quite Liberal’"
ReplyDeleteAnd the lies just keep coming ...
Nice link Greg. It doesn't work.
ReplyDeleteTake the quotes out moron.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Business Insider, a woman claiming to have been a classmate of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords‘ alleged shooter Jared Loughner says he has run into the Congresswoman once before and that he’s “left wing” and “quite liberal.” That comes as some on the left are trying to paint Loughner as one who succumbed to angry, Tea Party rhetoric.
ReplyDeleteBusiness Insider says Laughner’s classmate made the revelations about his political persuasions via her Twitter account: (see link)
But when news of the shooting broke, some conservatives, especially Tea Party officials, expressed concern that the left might try to label that gunman as a radical right-winger.
While Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips condemned the attack on Giffords, he told The Hill was concerned the Tea Party movement would be blamed for the incident.
“While we need to take a moment to extend our sympathies to the families of those who died, we cannot allow the hard left to do what it tried to do in 1995 after the Oklahoma City bombing,” he said.
Debbi Dooley, a national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, echoed a similar sentiment to Congress.org. “A lot of people have bets on how long it will take before they blame this on the tea party and that’s absolutely ridiculous,” she said. Her group condemned the attack via Facebook.
“This heinous act will change the interaction between elected officials and their constituents,” the group’s Facebook wall said. “People also pray for the safety of congressmen, senators, President Obama and other elected officials in the aftermath of this shooting.”
Phillips and Dooley were right.
“Some prominent liberal bloggers wasted little time before politicizing the horrific and tragic shooting of a congresswoman in Arizona on Saturday,” Politics Daily’s Matt Lewis writes.
For example, Markos Moulitsas, founder of the liberal website DailyKos, sent numerous tweets chiding Palin and the right for the attack:
More anti-conservative political rhetoric bubbling up Saturday evening from a number of Democratic members of Congress.
New Jersey Democratic Rep. Bill Pascrell said he feels like the United States is slipping from the rule of law and order and used the opportunity to publicly lambaste Fox News. “There’s an aura of hate and elected politicians feed it, certain people on Fox News feed it,” Pascrell said.
“This hostile rhetoric, I hope we put it behind us and try to work on things to move this country forward,” Rep Albio Sires, D-N.Y. said. “Nobody knows why this guy shot all these people or shot [Giffords], but I just think this rhetoric has to change.”
Additionally, Arizona state Sen. Linda Lopez took direct aim at the tea parties and their “horrible signs” and irresponsibly claimed that the gunman was a “veteran of the Afghanistan war” — an false assumption.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-giffords-gunman-left-wing-quite-liberal/
No surprise you liberals would pull this Greg.
"No surprise you liberals would pull this Greg. "
ReplyDeleteAs I've said numerous times, anyone who looks at your extremist ways and calls it what it is becomes a 'liberal' in your eyes D2.
Your an extremist ... that's all there is to it.
This was an extremist action and people like you fuel this type of behavior by publishing lies and vitriolic rhetoric.
"This was an extremist action and people like you fuel this type of behavior by publishing lies and vitriolic rhetoric."
ReplyDeleteSounds like this guy had mental issues besides being a liberal. Of course you liberals try to use tragedies like this to your political advantages by blaming Tea Party Patriots. This is disgusting and people aren't bying it.
And Greg, from what I hear, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was a proponent of strong border security unlike most liberal/socialist democrats, so your argument doesn't make any sense.
ReplyDelete"http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-giffords-gunman-left-wing-quite-liberal/"
ReplyDeleteA "source" cited by our resident pathological liar, who yearns to be treated like a regular guy, dtroll.
"The Blaze is a news, information and opinion site brought to you by Glenn Beck"
The very first entry that comes up when you Google "The Blaze". And since we all know what a fount of lying invective Beck is - in fact, he's one of the major suppliers of hate in this country - it's no surprise that he comes out on the offensive. After all, this young, white terrorist has been created in Beck's image.
Got a real source out there, anywhere, dtroll?
LOL! I know, I know - dumb question.
"from what I hear"
ReplyDeleteComing from one who hears only what he wants to hear, "from what I hear" means absolutely nothing.
"Giffords, known as a fiscally conservative Democrat and gun rights advocate"
ReplyDelete"She was one of 19 Democrats who voted against House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi for speaker this week."
"Giffords, a gun rights advocate, was first elected to Congress in 2006, when she rode a wave of Democratic victories. However, she separated herself from most in her caucus when she criticized President Obama last summer for not sending more National Guard members to the U.S.-Mexico border."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/
Yep, sounds like a troubled liberal disgusted with a conservative democrat and wanting to take her out.
Boy you liberals twist and spin the facts, don't you Greg....
Yes, it is hard for mindless bots like yourself to understand anyone who doesn't march in lock step with their appointed masters, isn't it, dtroll? Imagine, a congresswoman who actually has a mind? You certainly won't find any of those in your bunker, will you, dtroll?
ReplyDeleteMonnty, sure the blaze presents news items the liberal media like CNN and PMSNBC won't go near, but we need balance. It must be annoying for you liberals to have balance.
ReplyDelete"Monnty, sure the blaze presents news items the liberal media like CNN and PMSNBC won't go near, but we need balance"
ReplyDeleteSorry moron, lies do not equal balance. They are just simply lies. This is a tough concept for you to comprehend, I know. After all, you are a liar, and a hateful one at that.
"to understand anyone who doesn't march in lock step with their appointed masters, isn't it, dtroll? Imagine, a congresswoman who actually has a mind?"
ReplyDeleteYep, step out of line with the socialist left and fellow liberal extremists will shoot you. Isn't it great what the left is doing to this country Monnty?
"They are just simply lies"
ReplyDeleteProve it Monnty.
The shooter in this tragedy will be shown, I'm sure, to be mentally unbalanced. I'm still waiting for some facts to emerge before I'm gonna assign the blame. Interesting that you and Beck have already made your minds up and are flinging accusations every which way. Typical of those who think with their glands.
ReplyDelete"Prove it Monnty"
ReplyDeleteHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
That's a good one coming from YOU!
"The shooter in this tragedy will be shown, I'm sure, to be mentally unbalanced."
ReplyDeleteI agree. That's why Greg and other liberals were wrong in blaming conservatives for this tragedy before hearing the facts.
"Prove it Monnty"
ReplyDeleteHere's a couple that I found in 10 seconds. That's all the time I'll waste on you, moron.
http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/braziloil.asp
"That's why Greg and other liberals were wrong in blaming conservatives for this tragedy before hearing the facts"
ReplyDeleteYou're doing all the blaming here, you lying piece of shit. You really need to buy a mirror sometime. And then look in it.
Sorry Monnty, I couldn't find anything on clunkers on The Blaze. Didn't bother wasting my time with the other one.
ReplyDelete"You're doing all the blaming here"
ReplyDeleteNo I'm not Monnty, I agree with you that the shooter has mental problems. I was just showing Greg if he insists on placing blame on a group of people without hearing the facts, it's more reasonable to blame liberals than conservatives from what we know right now.
I wish Greg wouldn't lie so much.
Conservative women politicians really need to watch out for these attacks I guess. Look at how the left (including the host of this blog)constantly attacks women like Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin.They are fueling anger and hatred in deranged liberals and putting these women in danger.
ReplyDeleteD2, you're a compulsive liar and most probably have some sort of mental disorder which you vehemently deny.
ReplyDeleteYour racist bigoted rhetoric is what fuels anger in this country and causes people to do the kind of shit that happened yesterday. Your sick mind seeks out those who are troubled and uses them to do the deeds you don't have the balls to do on your own.
D2, you're a coward .... a pussy ... a wimp .. and definately not someone who deserves to be a citizen in this country.
Sure Greg, go ahead and play the race card after being proven wrong. Typical liberal....
ReplyDeleteI'm not playing cards D2 .. I'm stating the obvious.
ReplyDeleteHas anyone else ever referred to you as a racist D2? A bigot? A homophobe?
I'm pretty sure .. no, I'm positive you've been accused of that plenty of times.
Bottom line is that you're a coward.
"I'm not playing cards D2 .."
ReplyDeleteClassic Race Card 101.
So now you're lying about other folks telling you you're a racist? Do the lies ever stop with you D2?
ReplyDeleteWait, of course they don't since you're a compulsive liar.
How would it make you feel D2 if someone read some of the lies you post, believed it, and used it as an excuse to cause harm?
Would that perhaps cause you to stop lying?
"since you're a compulsive liar"
ReplyDeleteThat's a lie. You were just caught lying by blaming conservatives for the shooting yesterday.
Dems, Media Blame Tea Party, Palin for Shooting; Shooter Linked to Leftwing Politics:
ReplyDelete"Indeed, the profile of the accused shooter, 22-year-old Jared Loughner, that continues to emerge is that of a deranged young man whose mind was deeply distubred, but who also tinkered with both anarchist ideas and leftwing politics.
ABC News reported Saturday night that Loughner had identified among his favorite books "The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and the fiction classic "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" -- hardly the reading list of a Palin supporter."
Learn more at:
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gabrielle-giffords-Jared-Loughner/2011/01/09/id/382275?s=al&promo_code=B6DD-1
This is the kind of lying shit that drives people on the edge over it ..
ReplyDeletehttp://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/
Yes D2, your heroine is the cause of so much vitriol and hatred in this country. And you help propagate those lies she tells by posting them as truth and attempting to defend the lies.
I remember when Bachmann wanted to make sure that all members of congress weren't communists or socialists ..
well, how about we make sure that all of them are mentally stable and not compulsive liars ..
we can begin with her.
And after that, maybe we should make sure they're all accountable for their statements ..
yes, lets make sure they all are telling the whole truth and at every election we all get to see how many lies they've told before we vote.
"You were just caught lying by blaming conservatives for the shooting yesterday. "
ReplyDeleteNo, I blame extremists like you D2 ...
I don't give a flying fuck if it's a conservative or a liberal. The lying rhetoric is causing more harm to this country than anyone can imagine and YOU are helping propagate it.
You ARE a compulsive liar and you support compulisive lying by people that represent us in congress as-well-as those who represent lies on television or radio.
You're a part of the problem D2 and your denial is a sign of your own cowardice and insecurities.
D2, do you EVER try to find a legitimate source for ANYTHING?
ReplyDeleteNEWSMAX?
Tell me that's a non-partisan source ..
Greg, your hate filled spew against Conservative Christian Women is fueling anger among some unstable liberals like the one who shot a Conservative Democrat in Arizona.
ReplyDeleteHow can you sleep at night?
"Tell me that's a non-partisan source .."
ReplyDeleteIt's no more partisan than CNN, MSNBC, or the Star Democrat Tribune for that matter.
"Greg, your hate filled spew against Conservative Christian Women is fueling anger among some unstable liberals like the one who shot a Conservative Democrat in Arizona."
ReplyDeleteHate? Nah, I just point out truth and in your mind that equates to 'hate'. On the other hand, the lies you and your ilk spread are what fuel hatred.
As for the big 'push' by the Beckheads and other assorted idiot extremists, it's most likely to try and detract from the real issue ..
extremists. Extremists like you D2 and those you support.
I sleep well at night because even though I can't move as well as I used to and not think as quick, my mind is clear. On the other hand, you and people like Bachmann are too busy trying to come up with a cover for their lies to stop them from sleeping.
That's gotta suck ..
"Nah, I just point out truth"
ReplyDeleteFunny guy Greg!
Okay D2 ..
ReplyDeleteHas Michelle Bachmann ever lied?
Looks like a bad day for Downtown Dan's theories.
ReplyDeleteGreg likes to blame conservatives for the shooting in Arizona when it was actually one deranged liberal doing the planning and shooting, but when Muslims commit Islamic terror, they are just isolated incidents by extremists and we are racist bigots we if discuss it. What a hypocrite!
ReplyDeleteActually, from what I've read so far, politics had very little to do with this. The guy is wacko, plain and simple. Fellow wackjobs, like dtroll, are quick to point fingers based on their prejudices(and there's some of this emanating from the left as well), but, the real problem is, this puke just isn't wired to code. If you want a scapegoat, consider that he was able to buy his Glock November 30th. Comforting to know that citizens such as this have access to firearms whenever they choose.
ReplyDelete"Comforting to know that citizens such as this have access to firearms whenever they choose."
ReplyDeleteForget firearms, this guy should have been sent to the Ha Ha Hilton. Looks like government screwed up again by giving this guy a thumbs up on his background check.
"Looks like government screwed up again by giving this guy a thumbs up on his background check"
ReplyDeleteArizona gun laws are extremely lax. All the guy had to do was pass an "instant" background check required by the feds. Since he has no priors, there's nothing to show on his record.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/09/AR2011010901912.html
But I know it makes you feel better to blame the government, dtroll. So who screwed up: the feds, the state or the locals?
"But I know it makes you feel better to blame the government, dtroll. So who screwed up: the feds, the state or the locals? "
ReplyDeleteIt seems D2 and the shooter have much in common ..
both are wackjobs and think there's no place for government ....
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"Greg likes to blame conservatives for the shooting in Arizona when it was actually one deranged liberal doing the planning and shooting,"
ReplyDeleteWrong on both counts you moron. He was a wackjob just like you. The only person to 'blame' is the person that did it however, just like the sheriff of pina county said ... The country needs to tone it down. There's too much lying; and it fuels those who are already on the edge...
Yes D2, people like YOU who propagate lies and get people PO'd about stuff that isn't even true. Bachmann is just the same.
If anything, this should start making people get after their representatives and make them accountable for what comes out of their mouths. Stop feeding fuel to people that are already on edge ... stop trying to destroy our country and make it unsafe. Stop spreading hatred;;;;;;; with lies.
"but when Muslims commit Islamic terror, they are just isolated incidents by extremists and we are racist bigots we if discuss it. What a hypocrite! "
Discuss? You don't discuss, you imply that every single person of the Muslim faith is a terrorist .... you imply that all people that look like their south of the border are illegal .. you imply that all black skinned people are somali and therefore terrorists ..
but of course you'll deny that like most things ..
because you're a compulsive liar.
You D2, are part of the fuel that feeds the insanity in this country.
Why do you hate this country so much D2?
This is one of the people feeding fuel to the crazies out there ..
ReplyDeletehttp://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/
you can't blame a bartender for a person choosing to drive drunk, but you can certainly make him/her accountable for giving him too much booze.
"This is one of the people...."
ReplyDeleteMore liberal hate speech from the hard left which is fueling hatred and anger in deranged liberals like the guy in Arizona who liked reading the Communist Manifesto.
"More liberal hate speech from the hard left which is fueling hatred and anger in deranged liberals like the guy"
ReplyDeleteHow?
Can you explain how 'liberals' are fueling his hatred?
Are 'liberals' making him dislike immigrants?
Are 'liberals' telling him that our president is a 'socialist'?
Are 'liberals' telling him that our president isn't an American citizen?
Are 'liberals' telling him that all Muslims are terrorists?
Can you tell me D2?
"Are 'liberals' making him dislike immigrants?"
ReplyDeleteIf he dislikes immigrants, why would he want to shoot a Congressman who was one of the very few democrats who was pushing to secure our borders?
You make no sense Greg on any of your questions.
"If he dislikes immigrants, why would he want to shoot a Congressman who was one of the very few democrats who was pushing to secure our borders?"
ReplyDeleteUm, which congresspersons aren't in favor of securing our borders D2?
And how did she stand on the legislation for checking ID's in AZ D2?
See, in your twisted head nothing makes sense that's logical...
Now why don't you try answering the questions D2? Can you? errr .. .can you without lying?
"Um, which congresspersons aren't in favor of securing our borders D2?"
ReplyDeleteA better question is which democrats and liberal RINO republicans are in favor of border security, there aren't many.
Not sure if she supported Arizona's common sense policy of enforcing existing immigration law, but she did want the borders secure to the point of annoying fellow democrats.
"Not sure if she supported Arizona's common sense policy of enforcing existing immigration law"
ReplyDeleteWrong. If you recall, the governor of AZ had the law amended D2... and it was immediately stopped in federal court because of illegal search and seizure.
"A better question is which democrats and liberal RINO republicans are in favor of border security, there aren't many. "
Come on ... name ONE congressperson who is NOT in favor of securing our borders D2. Can you?
or are you once again making up lies?
And D2, just to refresh your memory ...
ReplyDeletehttp://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/
HUGE liar.
"Come on ... name ONE congressperson who is NOT in favor of securing our borders D2. Can you?"
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"God willing, one day the border will become an irrelavancy"
-Muslim Keith Ellison (DFL-MN)
And Greg, conservatives are trying to end the Anchor Baby loophole which was only meant to protect the slaves, but is now another incentive for illegals to invade our country and it's hurting us.
ReplyDeleteHow many liberal democrats do you figure will back this common sense legislation?
""God willing, one day the border will become an irrelavancy"
ReplyDelete-Muslim Keith Ellison (DFL-MN) "
And please tell me how that translates to him not caring about secure borders?
"And Greg, conservatives are trying to end the Anchor Baby loophole which was only meant to protect the slaves, but is now another incentive for illegals to invade our country and it's hurting us. "
Invade? Can you say rhetoric D2? God you're one hateful SOB aren't you.
Maybe you'd like it better if we just let those kids get born in the streets D2 ...
that IS what they preach in your church right? I mean, they do teach you to turn away pregnant ladies from having a safe birth don't they D2?
It's interesting that you rarely place the religious preference of other politicians in front of their names D2 ...
ReplyDeletewhy is that?
Could it be that you want to place emphasis on particular religions?
And would that emphasis be there to imply some sort of stereotype?
Like, how you're more than happy to imply that anyone who is a Muslim is a terrorist?
Please tell me why you put the religious affiliation in front of some peoples names and you don't for others.
"Invade?"
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly what's going on Greg. They are sneaking across illegally and harming our economy incase you haven't heard.
"Maybe you'd like it better if we just let those kids get born in the streets D2 ..."
Who said anything about them being born in the streets Greg? Ending the Anchor Baby loophole would simply stop the practice of calling babies born to foreign invaders "Americans" simply because of their GPS coordinates.
New immigrants arriving daily!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.borderinvasionpics.com/
"foreign invaders"
ReplyDeleteYou're just one more extremist idiot D2. You can't maintain a discussion without invoking some sort of goof ball rhetoric you picked up in an email or from some talking head ..... in short, you can't think for yourself making it impossible to have a discussion.
Either you're mentally challenged or you're simply an idiot...
Stop with the rhetoric and lying or leave.